Monday, May 30, 2011

Questions from an atheist

I saw this on Kyle's blog and I thought it was interesting and important to think about. I'm going to list all the questions in their entirety first, and then I'll list them again individually with my answers so you don't have to scroll continuously to make sense of it.
From Greaterthanlapsed:

  • What verifiable evidence supports your belief in a god? Unsubstantiated “miracles” don’t count. “I just feel it in my heart” or similar nonsense is not evidence. However, I will accept “I don’t need evidence,” as a valid answer—although it will make me think you are foolish and worry about your grasp on reality.>

  • How do you decide which parts of your holy book(s) to accept as true and meaningful? I may bring up specific examples and ask your opinion on them regardless of your answer to this question. What I look for here is consistency. If you eat shrimp or wear cotton-polyester, I don’t expect that you will think homosexuality is a sin. If you live in this universe, I don’t expect that you will think the earth was created in less than a week or that Jonah really lived in a fish for 3 days.

  • Of the numerous world religions that exist, what made you pick yours in the first place? On what basis have you decided that your particular religion is the correct religion?

  • How do you make moral and ethical decisions on a day-to-day basis? To what extent do you consider yourself guided by your religion in that decision-making process?

  • How do you make sense of moral and ethical contradictions in your holy book(s) or religious dogma?

  • What qualities would you say make a god worthy of worship? To what extent does your god embody those qualities, and how? I will ask for examples here, and I am likely to point out contradictions if I am familiar enough with your religion to do so.

  • What are your views on the afterlife? Especially, what happens to people who don’t agree that your religion is the correct one?

  • How does your religion and/or how do you personally address the problem of evil?

  • When members of your religion do bad things, how comfortable are you to be associated with those people? Do you still consider them to be members of the same religion as you? Indeed, how do you determine who is “in” and who is “out”? If you don’t determine that, is there an authority that does so? By what method does that authority do so, and where do they get their authority?

  • What if you are wrong? How important is it to you to be part of the “right” religion? What consequences do you foresee if you have chosen incorrectly? How much doubt would you say that you have about your religious beliefs?

  • Alright, so here we go:

    1. What verifiable evidence supports your belief in a god?

    By verifiable, I assume she means able to be demonstrated to another person. I don't think I have any "verifiable evidence" for God aside from tradition and authority, which I am sure she would reject. I'm not impressed with any of the philosophical "proofs" of the existence of God, although I find the very existence of the universe to indicate the existence of some sort of creator, although this by no means proves the Christian God, nor any personal entity at all. For me, the "evidence" I have is personal evidence; aside from telling stories about my experience, I can't share it with anyone.

    That said, I don't think that belief relies on empirical evidence, at least not when it comes to an emotionally-charged issue like the existence of God. People are going to believe what they are inclined to believe, and no amount of "verifiable evidence" (of which there isn't any, for or against) is going to change that. I believe that the Holy Spirit is ultimately in charge of our belief; God doesn't leave something as important as that to us.

    2. How do you decide which parts of your holy book(s) to accept as true and meaningful?

    I don't. Or rather, I guess I do and I have decided to accept all of the Bible as true and meaningful. I believe that the formation of the Bible has been guided throughout history by God, beginning from the oral traditions and continuing on through the present day.

    As a Christian, I believe the central event in human history was the incarnation, crucifixion and ressurection of Christ, so the Bible is "true and meaningful" inasmuch as it points to that. I am not a biblical literalist, although I used to be. My understanding of 2 Timothy 3:16 is different than that of many other Christians. The word θεόπνευστος (theopneustos), translated "inspired by God" is more literally translated as "God-breathed" (theos meaning God, and pneustos coming from pneuma meaning spirit or breath). This idea of all scripture being God-breathed brings to my mind the account of the creation of man in Genesis 2:7, in which YHWH assembles man out of the dust, out of what's already there. The Bible, as I understand it, is a collection of documents written by humans and assembled by the Holy Spirit throughout history. Because of this, "true and meaningful" doesn't necessarily mean "literally, scientifically true."

    3. Of the numerous world religions that exist, what made you pick yours in the first place? On what basis have you decided that your particular religion is the correct religion?

    See my answer to #1. I was practically born a Christian, so I can't really say that I "picked" Christianity. I believe that God "picked" me, and I'm trying to respond to that election.

    4. How do you make moral and ethical decisions on a day-to-day basis? To what extent do you consider yourself guided by your religion in that decision-making process?

    Every day I try to do what is right, and every day I fail at it.

    My conception of “right” comes largely from how I was raised, and that was based on the morals present in the Bible, although those morals aren’t exclusive to the Bible. To me, the Bible (and Christianity in general) is not primarily concerned with morals, for most of the morality within the Bible is culturally obvious (don’t murder, steal, lie in court, etc.). So, the way in which my understanding of Christianity influences my moral and ethical decisions is that it reduces them to one principle: What can I do right now that is most honoring to God? Now, that’s not to say that I am thinking this all the time and constantly analyzing my actions—most of my “ethical decision-making” is mindless—but when I am trying to make a difficult decision, this is (ideally) my guiding principle.

    This begs the question: How do I know what is honoring to God? Often, I don’t exactly, but here are some basic ideas: Give God the glory and respect due him as creator. Love God with all of me. Love my neighbor as myself. Treat everything (and everyone, including myself) as though it belongs to someone else, because it does. Share the truth of God with everyone and in every way possible. Try to live in a way that I can be taken seriously when I try to share the truth of God.

    5. How do you make sense of moral and ethical contradictions in your holy book(s) or religious dogma?

    Three things:

    First, every command in the Bible was addressed to a specific person/group of people at a specific time, and what makes ethical sense in one situation doesn’t necessarily make ethical sense in another.

    Second, God is by definition good, and therefore anything done by God is good, even though it may appear evil to us. I know that saying this will make me appear blind or ignorant or something like that to many, but I don’t know how you can believe in an infinite creator/source of everything and believe otherwise. There is no standard larger than God to which to hold God, so we can’t judge him. This doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t question something that we’re told God said/did, but there is no judging God himself.

    Third, because I believe the Bible is a divinely-assembled human-written document (see #2), it’s entirely possible that things attributed to God in parts of the text are not actually God but people thinking/saying they are acts of God. One good example of this would be the construction of Solomon’s temple.

    6. What qualities would you say make a god worthy of worship? To what extent does your god embody those qualities, and how?

    Before I answer, let me say that I hate the way this question is often used. “God is only worth worshipping if he does x and not y.” Maybe that carries some validity outside of the Abrahamic religions, but not inside of them. Here’s why I say that:

    I believe that God is the creator and sustainer of all there is. God is the one being who is not grounded in anything else, and in whom everything is grounded. This alone makes him worthy of worship. To put any conditions on that worship is arrogance in the extreme. How can we temporary, finite creatures hope to judge the infinite creator of all there is? To say something like “a God who commands x or allows y isn’t worthy of worship” is ridiculous, assuming you believe in God as the infinite creator.

    Side note: There is, however, some validity in saying something like: “I can’t worship a God who commands x or allows y.” It’s frightening to think that God may not have our best interests at heart and it is impossible for us of our own power to worship God and view him as good when he may wish our end (see my last post). Because of sin, we are bound (as in “bound with chains”) to not let God be God, and we always have to put conditions on his Godhood (ridiculous as that is). However, the simple truth is that God is God, and therefore he is free to do whatever he wants, and there’s nothing we can do about it. This is terrifying to us who have been turned inward by sin, who can’t stop thinking about our self-preservation. The only way past this is by the work of the Holy Spirit which allows us to hear the good news given to us in Christ that God is for us and not against us. It is only by this work that “I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other” becomes not a threat, but a promise.

    7. What are your views on the afterlife? Especially, what happens to people who don’t agree that your religion is the correct one?

    I don’t know, exactly. I believe there is a heaven and a hell, although I’m not at all sure what these places (if I can call them that) are or what they are like exactly. Also, according to Revelation 20:11-15, our destiny in heaven or hell is not determined by what we do or don’t do, but by God’s free choice. Because of that, I have no real way of determining who goes where; all I know is that I have God’s promise that I will be saved, and that’s what I cling to.

    8. How does your religion and/or how do you personally address the problem of evil?

    It doesn’t, at least not in any sense of solving the problem. I don’t know why things are the way they are, but I believe that God is good and able to change them. I realize that there is tension here (to put it mildly) and I struggle with that regularly. But the fact is, we are not in any position to evaluate God’s actions, or really even to evaluate whether something is objectively good or evil (see #6). In general, what we mean when we use the terms “good,” “bad” or “evil” is that something does or doesn’t lend itself to our self-preservation.

    This doesn’t make the inconsistency between our self preservation and God’s actions any less terrifying, however. The only solution to that terror is the revelation of God’s will given in Jesus Christ. So, on a personal level, when I am afflicted by the apparent contradiction present in the problem of evil, my only refuge is the promise of salvation through Jesus Christ given to me in my baptism (again, see my last post or this post and comments).

    9. When members of your religion do bad things, how comfortable are you to be associated with those people? Do you still consider them to be members of the same religion as you? Indeed, how do you determine who is “in” and who is “out”? If you don’t determine that, is there an authority that does so? By what method does that authority do so, and where do they get their authority?

    Wow, this is a bunch of questions. Quick answers: I’m not. Yes. I don’t. Yes, God. By God’s inscrutable will (so basically I don’t know), and God’s authority comes from God’s existence as creator and sustainer.

    Some explanation: Being a Christian doesn’t mean being perfect. In fact, the first thing Christianity should teach you that you are a sinner, and quite likely the worst of sinners. I don’t believe that once you “become a Christian” (however that is defined) a switch is flipped and you are suddenly morally perfect, although some Christians do believe that. What we call “justification” (the forgiveness of sins) is an external reality, not an internal one. It is the criminal being pardoned by the judge; he is the same person he was before the pardon, but now his crime is not being held against him. When we are justified, Christ’s righteousness is given to us; when God sees us, he sees his son. The internal reality is what we call “sanctification” (being made holy), and that is a long process, with many ups and downs, progression and regression. Sanctification will go on for our entire lives, and perhaps even longer.

    10. What if you are wrong? How important is it to you to be part of the “right” religion? What consequences do you foresee if you have chosen incorrectly? How much doubt would you say that you have about your religious beliefs?

    If I am wrong, then the consequences depend on who is right, and I can’t go into all the possible consequences here. I’m sure that I am wrong about some things; fortunately my salvation doesn’t rely on me. But even if I came to find out my religious beliefs were wrong, at the very least they would have given me peace and a purpose. As for how much doubt I have, I’m not sure how to quantify it exactly, so maybe I will borrow a bit from Lincoln (or whoever): I’m completely sure some of the time, and I’m somewhat sure all of the time, but I’m not completely sure all of the time.

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    So there’s what I think. I’d love to hear what you think. Are there parts you would agree with? Disagree with? Does this match up with how you think/have thought about Christianity?

    11 comments:

    1. I like our answers. Pretty similar, Mr. Buther.

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    2. Interesting answers, well spoken on your part, though poor questions in my estimation. Where did you get your atheist?

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    3. The questions came from GreaterThanLapsed's Tumblr (see link above). Why do they seem to be poor questions to you?

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    4. I am proud of you to have made this attempt at answering some tough questions. Your ending about peace and a purpose are encouraging, because I too believe that God wants us to experience his peace and that we have a purpose in this world. And if we're wrong and there is no God, it's not a bad way to have lived anyway. Although that may be a little too Pascalian to say for my liking.

      Mostly I wanted to touch on your answer to #7. I realize you tried to be brief often enough, so I would like to help you expand a bit on the afterlife question. I think beyond having God's promise that we will be saved, I would have redirected the question away from the afterlife.

      Personally, I believe most religions that feature some form of afterlife make it too much a focal point; Christianity included. It makes sense to ask about the afterlife, since it seems to occupy such a gigantic space in religion. But I'd rather talk about right now. I believe Christ's sacrifice for sinners has brought "the afterlife" to us. We live in God's Kingdom on Earth when we decide we want to be a part of what he is doing (and I think probably even if we don't decide we are still a part of that Kingdom). I am much more interested in that than a much debated afterlife. If I had it my way I would prefer the majority of the populace to recognize what God has done for people here and now. I would prefer to find freedom and peace and purpose here and now. I would prefer to live in a paradox of God's perfect Kingdom and our imperfect world, because God has put a stake on my life right now and made me believe that I matter as his child, right now. And that's Christians, atheists, etc.

      As far as what happens to people who don't agree with Christianity and what happens to them when they die, God has the final say. I was about to say a bunch more, but there's not really a point. This is ultimately what I believe. I want to be a Universalist. I want to be 100% positive that when Christ died for everyone, that the debt was paid once and for all, and that by being justified before God we are all saved. We will see...

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    5. Well, questions 1-3 can basically be summed as "Prove your Religion to me", which you answer quite well in spite of the question's flawed foundation. 4-10 are light interview questions people probably ask their pastor when getting to know him. Interesting insight too be sure, I was still under the impression you were more of verbatim fundamentalists, but not sure the questions had anything to do with the author being an atheist. Still, your answers were thoughtful, detailed, and consistent.

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    6. Mitch: Thanks! I think you're right that we tend to focus too much on the afterlife and not enough on the here and now. However, I do think it's important not avoid discussion of the afterlife completely. Death is a scary thing, and it seems to get scarier the closer one gets to it. Discussion of the afterlife can help alleviate that fear and help us in the here and now.

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    7. Justin: I think I understand what you mean, and maybe the title I gave this post was a little misleading. The reason I decided to answer these questions here was because these questions can be troubling to many, Christian or otherwise, and I thought it might help to show how I answer them. I grew up pretty much fundamentalist, and I know that I would have seen these questions in many ways to be direct challenges of what I believed. It also gave me a concise and organized way to express what I believe and at that same time show how that differs from what I used to believe.

      Another question for you, if you don't mind. When you said "I was still under the impression you were more of verbatim fundamentalists," who exactly did you mean by "you?" The reason I ask is that many Christians, particularly here in the U.S., from what I can tell, would fit into the category of "verbatim fundamentalists," and I don't want to give the impression that my answers are representative of every Christian, or even most Christians.

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    8. I meant you, John, specifically. My recollection was you describing yourself as such in Lawrence's class. What brought about the more nuanced perspective?

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    9. Ah, sorry. You pluralized "fundamentalists," which threw me off, since I have never been more than one fundamentalist!

      I don't have the space to really answer your question here, so it will have to suffice to say that it was a multitude of factors over a period of a few years. That would be a good blog post, though, maybe I will write that soon.

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    10. That's what i get for trying to comment from my phone. You would be a good chief representative for all religions. Very diplomatic. Very well spoken. Very... Bearded. You would have my vote. Do I get a vote?

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    11. Well, if we let you vote, then we'd have to let everyone vote...

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